From dave.ottalini at wap.org  Tue Mar 21 00:15:04 2006
From: dave.ottalini at wap.org (Dave Ottalini)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// - where do we go from here?
Message-ID: <4F7B6D69-5AD7-42EA-8B20-C5C8A6C0EF7D@wap.org>


Folks..

I'm sorry it's taken so long to let you know my thoughts about what  
to do with the A3 PD Library and all my A3 holdings.

Here is where things stand and where I think I'd like to go - but I  
am totally open to ideas.

1) The WAP A3 PD library will be archived by my friend and fellow  
Sarasaur David Craig. We're discussing the best way to make sure the  
archived disks can, in fact, get BACK onto 5.25" floppies that will  
boot on a ///.

2) I'm going to try and get the long-promised DVD finished - it will  
likely include iPod versions of the "How To Use Your Apple /// in 10  
EZ Lessons" and perhaps the archived A3 library if there's room. But  
it must be finished... I'm sorry it has sat unused for so long.

3) There currently is a website someone on this list set up -  
www.apple3.org - that has been held pending some kind of decision  
about what to do. I'd like to move the Apple /// files currently on  
WAP over to this web site. That said I do NOT want to be the  
webmaster - simply someone who contributes material. I am open to  
ideas about how to accomplish this (or if you would rather NOT use  
this site - that's ok too..).  I want this to be a community decision  
since we are all in this together. This site can be THE repository  
for all things A3 so everyone could contribute material to it..but it  
will have to be set up and managed by someone else.

4) I have a ton of software and hardware and will want to find a good  
home for it. I suspect Vintage or one of the other museums would take  
it but I am open to ideas - I just want it somewhere safe for  
preservation that is NOT my basement. If it is anywhere near  
Washington, DC, I can drive it someplace, or meet someone half way.   
I am not interested in breaking it up - I want it to be a complete  
set.  I have not contacted anyone yet - I want to hear from you  
first. And yes, it's fairly large - many books, software packages,  
hardware, even an A3 carrying case!

5) Your support and willingness to help has long been appreciated by  
me - considering the fact we're talking about a machine that ended  
its production run in 1983 - it is amazing anyone cares but you do -  
WE do - and this is special. Thank you!


Dave Ottalini


From shirlgato at cybermesa.com  Tue Mar 21 08:28:22 2006
From: shirlgato at cybermesa.com (Shirl)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// - where do we go from here?
Message-ID: <200603211328.k2LDSMnq022191@mail.cybermesa.com>


I think Dave's ideas about preserving the remaining Apple /// materials are
right on target. The key questions are how, who and where?

I will also donate digial copies of all my /// files which includes scans of
lots of /// documents. This even includes a large notebook filled wih ///
develoment memos that I obtained from one of the /// programmers.

I think we should also include Daniel Kottke's /// materials in this
collection. He worked on the ///'s prototype hardware an was responcible for
testing the hardware and updating the schematics. I've been in contact with
him over the years and need to contact him again about getting copies of his
materials. Dan has the original /// hardware breadboard prototype. I think a
digital movie of this breadboard would be a great addition to the ///
archives.

I have a 2 hour video tape of the /// hardware I made several years ago. 1
hour for the ///, another hour for the ///-Plus. This I have on DVD and also
can convert to a computer movie format such as MPEG for inclusion on a
DVD-ROM. The video should also be on a standard video DVD for playback on
DVD players. I'm thinking each hour could be converted to a movie format
that would fit on a 600 MB CD.

The website sounds like a great way to make this material accessible to
others who still have an interest in the ///'s technology and history.

A single storage location for the ///'s remains is also a good idea.
DigiBarn in California (http://www.digibarn.org/) may be a good place. The
curator, Bruce Damer (bdamer at digitalspace.com), seems very serious about
preserving micro history. Bruce already has some very good /// info on his
web site:

www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/appleIII/index.html
www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/appleIII/sandersinterview.html
www.digibarn.com/collections/manuals/apple-III/index.html

I think we should include _everything_ we have in this final /// collection.
Including somewhat sensitive materials such as /// source code which Apple
considered confidential long ago, but which I think today Apple would not
care about. Do you agree?

- David Craig

David T Craig
6450 Vooscane Avenue
Cochiti Lake, NM 87083
USA

email shirlgato at cybermesa.com
phone 505-465-0087

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>From: Dave Ottalini <dave.ottalini at wap.org>
>To: A3 Listserve <APPLE3-L at altair.com>
>Subject: Apple /// - where do we go from here?
>Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2006, 10:15 PM
>

>
> Folks..
>
> I'm sorry it's taken so long to let you know my thoughts about what
> to do with the A3 PD Library and all my A3 holdings.
>
> Here is where things stand and where I think I'd like to go - but I
> am totally open to ideas.
>
> 1) The WAP A3 PD library will be archived by my friend and fellow
> Sarasaur David Craig. We're discussing the best way to make sure the
> archived disks can, in fact, get BACK onto 5.25" floppies that will
> boot on a ///.
>
> 2) I'm going to try and get the long-promised DVD finished - it will
> likely include iPod versions of the "How To Use Your Apple /// in 10
> EZ Lessons" and perhaps the archived A3 library if there's room. But
> it must be finished... I'm sorry it has sat unused for so long.
>
> 3) There currently is a website someone on this list set up -
> www.apple3.org - that has been held pending some kind of decision
> about what to do. I'd like to move the Apple /// files currently on
> WAP over to this web site. That said I do NOT want to be the
> webmaster - simply someone who contributes material. I am open to
> ideas about how to accomplish this (or if you would rather NOT use
> this site - that's ok too..).  I want this to be a community decision
> since we are all in this together. This site can be THE repository
> for all things A3 so everyone could contribute material to it..but it
> will have to be set up and managed by someone else.
>
> 4) I have a ton of software and hardware and will want to find a good
> home for it. I suspect Vintage or one of the other museums would take
> it but I am open to ideas - I just want it somewhere safe for
> preservation that is NOT my basement. If it is anywhere near
> Washington, DC, I can drive it someplace, or meet someone half way.
> I am not interested in breaking it up - I want it to be a complete
> set.  I have not contacted anyone yet - I want to hear from you
> first. And yes, it's fairly large - many books, software packages,
> hardware, even an A3 carrying case!
>
> 5) Your support and willingness to help has long been appreciated by
> me - considering the fact we're talking about a machine that ended
> its production run in 1983 - it is amazing anyone cares but you do -
> WE do - and this is special. Thank you!
>
>
> Dave Ottalini

From jeff at altair.com  Tue Mar 21 08:33:05 2006
From: jeff at altair.com (Jeff Marraccini)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:33:05 -0500
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// - where do we go from here?
In-Reply-To: <4F7B6D69-5AD7-42EA-8B20-C5C8A6C0EF7D@wap.org>
References: <4F7B6D69-5AD7-42EA-8B20-C5C8A6C0EF7D@wap.org>
Message-ID: <3FD71438-F450-4142-86F6-177140B62AC6@altair.com>

Dave,

These are good plans.  While I am far from D.C., I can arrange a trip  
if I can help with any of the mechanics of this.  I'd also be glad to  
help remotely with any disk imaging, since doing serial port disk  
image transfers from a /// or a II+ can be slow.

Michael Py (mpy at ieee.org) is the person that offered to run  
www.apple3.org.  I'm not sure what kind of a server it is and what  
kind of capacity it has.  The list can continue here as long as it's  
useful, and I can serve as a web and ftp mirror to make sure the  
materials are not lost if a hosting problem develops.

Thanks the three of you for helping with this!

Jeff

___
Jeff Marraccini
Manager, Altair Systems
Altair Engineering, Inc.
http://www.altair.com/
jeff at altair.com
+1 (248) 614-2400 ext 294

"The Computer is your Friend." -- Paranoia
This email message is not a digital signature and its opinions are my  
own.


On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Dave Ottalini wrote:

>
> Folks..
>
> I'm sorry it's taken so long to let you know my thoughts about what
> to do with the A3 PD Library and all my A3 holdings.
>
> Here is where things stand and where I think I'd like to go - but I
> am totally open to ideas.
>
> 1) The WAP A3 PD library will be archived by my friend and fellow
> Sarasaur David Craig. We're discussing the best way to make sure the
> archived disks can, in fact, get BACK onto 5.25" floppies that will
> boot on a ///.
>
> 2) I'm going to try and get the long-promised DVD finished - it will
> likely include iPod versions of the "How To Use Your Apple /// in 10
> EZ Lessons" and perhaps the archived A3 library if there's room. But
> it must be finished... I'm sorry it has sat unused for so long.
>
> 3) There currently is a website someone on this list set up -
> www.apple3.org - that has been held pending some kind of decision
> about what to do. I'd like to move the Apple /// files currently on
> WAP over to this web site. That said I do NOT want to be the
> webmaster - simply someone who contributes material. I am open to
> ideas about how to accomplish this (or if you would rather NOT use
> this site - that's ok too..).  I want this to be a community decision
> since we are all in this together. This site can be THE repository
> for all things A3 so everyone could contribute material to it..but it
> will have to be set up and managed by someone else.
>
> 4) I have a ton of software and hardware and will want to find a good
> home for it. I suspect Vintage or one of the other museums would take
> it but I am open to ideas - I just want it somewhere safe for
> preservation that is NOT my basement. If it is anywhere near
> Washington, DC, I can drive it someplace, or meet someone half way.
> I am not interested in breaking it up - I want it to be a complete
> set.  I have not contacted anyone yet - I want to hear from you
> first. And yes, it's fairly large - many books, software packages,
> hardware, even an A3 carrying case!
>
> 5) Your support and willingness to help has long been appreciated by
> me - considering the fact we're talking about a machine that ended
> its production run in 1983 - it is amazing anyone cares but you do -
> WE do - and this is special. Thank you!
>
>
> Dave Ottalini
>
> _______________________________________________
> Apple3-L mailing list
> Apple3-L at news.altair.com
> https://news.altair.com/mailman/listinfo/apple3-l


From michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us  Tue Mar 21 23:16:57 2006
From: michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// - where do we go from here?
Message-ID: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B1C882A@server2003.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>

Hi guys,

> Jeff Marraccini wrote:
> Michel Py (mpy at ieee.org) is the person that offered to run
> www.apple3.org.  I'm not sure what kind of a server it is

It's a Windoze PeeSee....But it has redundant hot-swap disks and power
supplies.


> and what kind of capacity it has.

Storage is not an issue. It's at my home on aDSL, I don't think that the
Apple /// traffic is going to be an issue either, a 140k image is not a
big deal these days.


> I'd also be glad to help remotely with any disk imaging, since doing
> serial port disk image transfers from a /// or a II+ can be slow.

Much appreciated.

Michel.


From willi at allvantage.com  Tue Mar 21 23:40:38 2006
From: willi at allvantage.com (willi at allvantage.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// - where do we go from here?
In-Reply-To: <3FD71438-F450-4142-86F6-177140B62AC6@altair.com>
References: <4F7B6D69-5AD7-42EA-8B20-C5C8A6C0EF7D@wap.org>
	<3FD71438-F450-4142-86F6-177140B62AC6@altair.com>
Message-ID: <1143002438.4420d546c9dee@webmail.allvantage.com>

Hi!

Quoting Jeff Marraccini:
> These are good plans.  While I am far from D.C., I can arrange a trip
> if I can help with any of the mechanics of this.  I'd also be glad to
> help remotely with any disk imaging, since doing serial port disk
> image transfers from a /// or a II+ can be slow.

    I have an Amiga 3000 with an A1020 drive and software that can create am
image of an Apple II 5.25 inch disk in 20 seconds.  However, it will
occasionally refuse to read a valid disk.  I'm located across the river from
Philly.  If I can help with archiving disks, please let me kmow.

Willi


From shirlgato at cybermesa.com  Wed Mar 22 01:09:43 2006
From: shirlgato at cybermesa.com (Shirl)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:09:43 -0700
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// photos
Message-ID: <200603220609.k2M69iKZ027590@mail.cybermesa.com>


Just came across a web site with some very nice Apple /// photos:

http://myoldmac.net/cgi-data/gal/thumbnails.php?album=22&page=1&sort=da

I also have around 500 photos of the my ///'s hardware that I made a few
years back with my digial camera. These cover every aspect of the ///'s
hardware.

- David Craig

From shirlgato at cybermesa.com  Wed Mar 22 23:34:10 2006
From: shirlgato at cybermesa.com (Shirl)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:34:10 -0700
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// development documents
Message-ID: <200603230434.k2N4YCmR001941@mail.cybermesa.com>


Hi

Does anyone have copies of the following Apple /// development documents?

SOS ERS APPENDICES - XX/XX/81
APPLE III I/O SYSTEM PROGRAMMERS GUIDE - DEC-15-80

These were listed in the SOS source listing.

I would like to get copies of these.

- David Craig

From dave.ottalini at wap.org  Wed Mar 22 23:31:08 2006
From: dave.ottalini at wap.org (Dave Ottalini)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:31:08 -0500
Subject: [Apple3-L] Email to Bruce Damer at DigiBarn
Message-ID: <DEB1B705-8154-44BC-8526-41CEA75B372A@wap.org>


Folks - Here's what I just sent Bruce...



Hi, Bruce - Dave Ottalini here in Silver Spring, Md.

I am at a point where I want to donate virtually all of my Apple ///  
materials to a good home. We are in the process of archiving all of  
the WAP Apple /// PD Library (250 disks!) and moving the Apple ///  
files off of Washington Apple Pi's web site (Rant: WAP no longer  
supports the A2 family - management doesn't want to talk to anyone  
unless they own a new Intel Mac). Other ///ers (David Craig in New  
Mexico in particular) will also contribute material to this new  
website - www.apple3.org (hosted by Michel Pye in Sacramento.) Jeff  
Marraccini will also maintain our A3 discussion list for as long as  
it's needed.

In any case, we have worked together before and I am willing to  
consider making the donation of A3 materials to you IF you want them  
and IF we can figure out how to get them to you. I would also be  
interested to know what, if any, plans you might have if at some  
point you decide to give up Digibarn - what would happen to your  
collection? A major concern is that these materials be preserved over  
the long term. The A3 is a very small part of computer history, but  
it sure has been a big part of my life (and many others!) for many,  
many years (I started late - 1983!).

The A3 materials I have include a wide range of software (some still  
in shrinkwrap), manuals, many files - some unique to the ///. I have  
notebooks of letters, for example, of my correspondence with Apple /// 
ers all over the U.S. and even the world and it is an excellent  
history of the /// Community. I also have some hardware, including a  
color monitor and even a carrying case for a ///. I think the entire  
lot would fill a small U-Hall truck. I can send you some digital pics  
of what it all looks like..

I am currently working to finish a DVD that has literally been years  
in the making and that includes a great deal of A3 materials. As you  
know, I also produced a two set DVD of the old "How To Use Your  
Apple /// in 10 EZ Lessons" which I believe you have a copy of. I  
have turned those video chapters into vPod files and they will likely  
find their way onto the DVD.

We are also looking at archiving other /// software - especially Bob  
Consorti's set of On Three programs and my collection of commercial  
software so that it can be preserved.

Let me know what you think. I'm not sure when all this could take  
place, but I think this is a resource that needs to be in a better  
location than my basement.

Dave Ottalini
Fmr. Apple /// SIG Chair
Washington Apple Pi






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From michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us  Thu Mar 23 21:14:45 2006
From: michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:45 -0800
Subject: [Apple3-L] apple3.org web site
Message-ID: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B1C8831@server2003.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>

Folks,

I put a copy of all the files received so far on the web site, with the
beginning of a structure. Send more, when we know what we actually have
we can then think about a web page and not just a bunch of files.

Michel.


From dave.ottalini at wap.org  Sat Mar 25 15:39:51 2006
From: dave.ottalini at wap.org (Dave Ottalini)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:39:51 -0500
Subject: [Apple3-L] Update
Message-ID: <C1F828D1-EADF-401C-BB03-49D0F5EC396B@wap.org>


A3 PD Library - all 250 disks! is in the mail to Dave Craig.

I have NOT heard back from Digibarn yet.

I've been sending files to Michael Py - anyone else who cares to  
contribute to this new website is welcome!

Dave

From shirlgato at cybermesa.com  Tue Mar 28 08:18:05 2006
From: shirlgato at cybermesa.com (Shirl)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:18:05 -0700
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// SOS source listing
Message-ID: <200603281318.k2SDI5OF015903@mail.cybermesa.com>


If anyone has an interest in seeing the source listing for Apple /// SOS I
have a PDF copy that I can email people.

One person already emailed me about this, but I can't find that email.

- David Craig

From michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us  Tue Mar 28 10:43:55 2006
From: michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:43:55 -0800
Subject: [Apple3-L] Apple /// SOS source listing
Message-ID: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B1C8838@server2003.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>

David,

> If anyone has an interest in seeing the source listing for Apple ///
> SOS I have a PDF copy that I can email people.

Please email it to me, I'll put it on the web site with the other docs!

Thanks
Michel.


